BECKY TAYLOR

EDUCATION COORDINATOR, SUSTAINABLE COASTLINES

After four years of lovingly wrangling primary schoolers into learning, Becky Taylor jumped ship to the environmental charity space. As the education coordinator for New Zealand’s Sustainable Coastlines, this hard-working, eternally-optimistic and morally-conscious delight is getting communities involved in action-based responses to the ever present threat of plastic pollution. Along with tips for becoming more conscious consumers, she shares her career-changing lightbulb moment, how she turned an internship into a full-time job and what it’s like working for a not for profit. (She also spends her workday on the beach. Dreamy.)

Hi Becky! How are you?

Hi! We’re in Auckland’s longest lockdown, but we’re all good! We’ve got our house and we’ve got a puppy who arrived as we went into lockdown.
He’s been such a good distraction.

Perfect timing! A puppy is a full-time job.

Yeah it’s crazy! We thought we might as well, we’re both at home. We can like settle him. Get him into routine.

That’s right! An extra friend in the house. So Becky, what do you do?

I’m an education coordinator for a New Zealand based environmental charity, Sustainable Coastlines. We enable people to look after the waterways and coastal environments that they love. So, we do a lot of connecting people to nature and then getting them out for tree planting or beach clean-ups. The project I’m under, Litter Intelligence, is a beach clean-up with a scientific twist. So we’re collecting rubbish data basically. Picking up rubbish in a certain area, going back to that same area and picking up the rubbish four times a year and getting community groups going.

My job is to get schools involved in that data collection. So, not where I saw myself basically. I was happy teaching and then super passionate about environmental issues. I did a lot of travelling, saw a lot of plastic basically and was like ‘I need to be involved in this somehow’. So, I just sort of weaselled my way into an internship at Sustainable Coastlines and then I managed to weasel that into a full-time job.

Omg amazing. That is so, so cool. Good job!

Yeah! It’s been a year and a half now. 

So you were a teacher first?

Yeah. I was teaching at a primary school and then the internship was your classic unpaid-ish, $20 a day situation. Like ‘we want you to do 40 hours
a week but we’ll only give you $20 a day.’ And I was like, you know what, I’m part-time uni-ing, I think I can do it. [While I was interning] I was able to still teach to get some income basically. Relief teach, study and intern at the same time. And loving it.

What did you do at uni?

After my teaching degree and then teaching for four years in a classroom, I did a year… well, I started a year doing a post-grad diploma in the Sustainable Development Goals. And that lasted for six months. Then Covid hit and me and [my partner] Bjorn were like ‘shit, ok we need more money coming in, I’ll have to back into teaching’. So I put the study on hold, took a job teaching and then Sustainable Coastlines were like ‘we’ll give you a full-time job, we need a teacher!’. So I ended up there, still having put my study on hold… I’ll get through it one day maybe. If I need it.

Sounds like everything just lined up.

Yeah, it was a weird time.

I think I had it ingrained in me that I needed to go to uni to have
some justification to switch jobs to an environmental space.

I was like ‘Oh they won’t want a teacher’, they’ll want something else that’s way more relevant. So, I went off to do uni thinking that would be my segue. Turns out I probably didn’t need it. If I’d just stuck with the interning.

They made room for you! Found the job that linked all the things you were already doing, that’s so cool.

Exactly. It was like the perfect marriage of the things I was interested in.

So, what does a typical day look like?

I basically get people started. So I get schools involved in Litter Intelligence. It’s a citizen’s science program. Basically, it’s over to the public to collect all this data, we just enable them and train them. Then once they’re up and running, my job is to support them to maintain it.

I visit schools all round New Zealand. I try to do it in clumps at a time, I’ll go visit Hawke’s Bay and stay there for a week, take the schools out to the beach, do a litter survey and audit, then visit another school the next day. I have a full-on schedule, travelling and working. Which is quite tiring.

And it’s with primary schools, little kids? How does that go?

[Having a background in teaching] has definitely been handy, and we have had a lot of older ages get involved which has been nice for me because I’d only worked with five-year-olds in the past and that’s always been… like, I love it! But it’s exhausting. Getting five-year-olds to follow this really strict, rigorous methodology picking up this rubbish and then sorting it, it’s quite hilarious really – the things that they think are rubbish. I’ll be like ‘this is the rectangle you can stay in to pick up the rubbish’ and they all just disperse… then they poke their fingers down crab holes and show me all the animals they can find… and no rubbish at all.

Hahaha. I need you little kids to work for me please!

I need you to actually pick up the rubbish. Please.

This is adorable but you’ve missed the assignment.

Yeah hahaha. You’ve missed the point. I haven’t done my job properly.

It’s obviously a unique opportunity to travel around New Zealand as well. Do you like all the moving around?

Yeah, it gets hectic in the summer when schools are pretty keen to be outside. But I’ve loved it. I haven’t spent much time in the South Island and it’s just allowed me to do so much more travel. Work’s really great with the whole ‘make sure you take a day for yourself’ you know, like a day in between when you’re not out on the beach when you can go have a bit of a look around and make the most of it. They also encourage us to take our partners if they’re free.

That’s quite a progressive stance from a workplace.

Yeah, amazingly so. I think Covid has helped that a lot. They put mental health at the forefront for us, which is just amazing.

That is so great. And it’s what makes you want to stay at a company right? If someone’s valuing you in that way. That’s how they keep employees!

We’re all about connection to nature and empathy, so the fact that they put people first is brilliant. Our work is definitely a family environment – we can bring our dogs to work. They’ve found a sweet spot. 

It’s probably a bit of a layered answer, but considering you work with the environment and the state of our climate, is it difficult going to work and remaining positive?

It is daunting. There’s a huge amount of eco-anxiety.
I was feeling that before I entered this job and I think that’s kind of what pushed me into it more. I thought: I can’t spend my life on
this planet and not do something to help. At least try and help.
So I’m trying to channel it into my work.

It definitely gets me down sometimes, like I spend my nights awake because I’m thinking about polar bears running out of ice.

There is so much doom and gloom out there, and all the education and awareness about that doom and gloom has been huge, and now that’s all our kids are left with: this doom and gloom picture. So, I try and look at my job as a positive spin on it. Like getting kids involved, getting them connected to nature, getting them caring. Hoping that by targeting the young ones, they’ll be able to grow up and have a pro-environmental approach, but also be a little bit more action. Like ‘I can do something about this, I can change what I am doing and I can influence my family and what they’re doing.’ We can make that change and, hopefully, we can contribute to a less-bleak outlook than what we are facing.

Injecting a little bit of optimism into it. As a workplace the eco-anxiety is obviously present, because that’s why you’re working there. But you also know that people are taking action.

Yeah. And we’re surrounded by those people all the time! We’re getting involved in all these amazing community groups and schools that are already doing amazing work in that space. So it’s nice to be in that community. Where you’re looking at it from a more action-based solution, rather than the latter.

What kind of data are you getting?

Basically we’re collecting different types of litter items and then categorising what they’re made out of and what they originally were. Litter Intelligence is the site. Most of our litter in New Zealand on our beaches, like the rest of the world, is plastic. The biggest offender if you like, are those ‘unidentified’ or hard bits of plastic. Bits that have broken down over time – photodegradation it’s called, when the sun and the weather just break the plastic down. You can go to the cleanest, most beautiful beach in New Zealand and you can still find small, tiny coloured bits of plastic. Along with anything related to food, drink and cigarettes.

We’re just trying to capture a picture of the litter around our coastline. But what’s really cool is we’ve been doing this for three years and now we’ve got people in the freshwater space really interested in training people and collecting data in the lakes, rivers, and creeks. And we’ve got people in the stormwater space that are also trying to get schools and community groups to audit litter that’s turning up in the drains. So we get this really holistic picture about what the problem is.

Obviously, if you know what the problem is you can
better solve it, right?

Is Litter Intelligence Sustainable Coastlines’ own data capture website?

Yeah. They had amazing support and funding from the Ministry for the Environment over here, which basically keeps things going. This is all our data, but it’s all open access, which is pretty special because a lot of science and data nowadays is closed off to the public. We share it all. You can put in a beach around New Zealand and if it’s being monitored, it will show up. This is Bjorn’s one, he runs surveys at his beach. Bjorn is a surf lifesaver so he got his crew to do a rubbish survey on their beach where they patrol. A nice little collab between us!

All the data gets stored and you can see who’s led the survey, you can see the group, the time that’s been contributed to the survey; then it breaks down all your rubbish for you after you do the sorting, counting, weighing process. We run the training for people who want to get involved and then give them ongoing support. We’ve got an amazing amount of involvement.

Then do you submit this to government organisations? What do you do with the data?

Because the data is open access, people use it for all different types of things. We’ve got lots of tertiary students that are doing research papers on marine plastics. We’ve got schools and kids that are taking their own actions. I worked with a really cool school on Waiheke Island. They were finding heaps of compostable coffee cups on their beach which weren’t actually home compostable – they were PLA lined, so still plastic. These kids went to their local cafes and convinced them to use their recycled DIY jars from home, covered in an odd sock! And now the local coffee cart very close to the school is only using the jars to give takeaway coffees in. So, it can inspire all sorts of people. It does get used by government as well; it’s being used in some environmental reporting in New Zealand which is fantastic. It’s the first time marine litter data has been used in an environmental report. People use the data beyond what we’re using it for.

It helped the plastic bag ban in New Zealand. So Jacinda and the government are using our website as a reference point to inform their policy decisions, which is what we want happening.

New Zealand is so on the front foot environmentally, definitely compared to Australia. It’s so great to see all these little projects that are using the data. Jandals with Ethics! So cute! So good!

If you say to people ‘solve the plastics problem’ it’s just too huge. But if you can focus people on a specific item and just target that, because hey, that’s the problem in your community! And if you can eradicate that, that’s awesome. You know, that’s huge.

Totally, it can seem too big a thing to tackle - so people don’t. Resulting in less action-based solutions.

Yeah. It’s a really scary hurdle. A lot of my job is basically making it seem solvable by working with these kids. Like, let’s just focus on the problem that you’re dealing with, or your school’s dealing with, or mum and dad are dealing with, and let’s just target that.

You don’t have to do zero waste perfectly. If you’ve got millions
of people doing it imperfectly, then you’re making a difference.

Absolutely. Small, manageable changes, that on a mass scale are huge.

Yeah, exactly.

So, let’s take it back a bit. Why did you do teaching?

I did the classic: left high school, had an insane amount of pressure to go straight to uni; and went and started a design degree because I like to draw. So I was like ‘cool I’m good at drawing, I’ll just go do graphic design’. Turns out it’s all on computers isn’t it? Did not enjoy the computer side of things. I had a year off, ended up labouring for my dad who’s a builder, found my way into an after-school care position; I basically just started working with children and was like ‘I could do this, this is fun’. I love primary school, and I had a little insight into teaching life because there was a lot of teachers working at the after-school care as well. My older sister was a teacher, she would like to think that I copied her. 

Classic.

Yeah, classic older sister. ‘You copied me! You can’t do it!’

And yeah, went into teaching. Stuck out the degree for the three years that you need to and then lasted in the classroom for almost four years before I segued out of there. 

A decent stint though.

Yeah. When I talk to older teachers they’re like ‘oh you didn’t last long at all did you?’ because they’ve been there for like 45+ years.

Savage. They probably wish they got out when you got out!

That’s the thing, right?! People back in the day just stuck at their career. They didn’t care if they were unhappy, they just stayed there. There are a lot of miserable teachers out there.

Omg absolutely.

I’m like… I can’t do that! I can’t be one of those teachers! The gargoyles that just stick at teaching and it sucks the students’ souls out. I’ve had enough of those teachers. We’ve all had teachers like that.

Oh yeah. And surely they didn’t start out like that. I’m sure they start out full of zest and life. Have you always been a passionate environmentalist?

I think I was always that weird child. Like, I was obsessed with dolphins. Still am. Like I love dolphins and whales. I had dolphin wallpaper, dolphin everything. I was like, one day I’ll go swimming with whales in Tonga, and then I ended up doing that, and that was when I was in my last year of the teaching, not that I knew it at the time.

I went over to Tonga to swim with these whales, because I am just THAT obsessed. And I went over to Vava’u. It’s this tiny island where you can swim with the humpback whales. I was spending my day swimming with these humpback whales and their calves and then I was spending the afternoon walking from the port back to my Airbnb and the rubbish was just absolutely insane. Just lining the trenches and the gutters by the roads. All I could think was that this is just going to get blown into the sea, right there. And those whales are right there! They’re just going to be eating that plastic. So I think that was my lightbulb moment. I started buying sacks from the dairies and when I walk I’d just fill the sacks as much as I could back to my Airbnb.

My poor Airbnb host was having to get rid of it somehow. It probably just ended up back on the road, on the street haha.

I love that image.

He was so patient with me. But the third day I was doing it these two tiny girls came and joined me. And they were just like ‘what are you doing?’ and I just told them and why and I said ‘why are you helping me?’ and this girl was like ‘oh I just looked at you and I thought, oh she’s helping Tonga, why am I not helping Tonga?’ And so she just joined… it was incredible. I’ve got this picture of these tiny girls and the bin’s bigger than them, you know? And I was like ‘this is what I need to be doing’. This is how easy it is to get children involved.

Kids wanna help. Like, they know it’s wrong but they don’t always see it till you point it out.

I came back and I just couldn’t settle back into my classroom and I was like ‘I need to go’.

‘I’m out’

Yeah, I’m out. I don’t know what I’m doing, but I’m out.

Swimming with the whales must have been amazing. Were you scared?

No… well the thing with humpback whales is they sing. That was the weirdest part. It’s not scary but it’s definitely like alien when you hear them. It just doesn’t sound natural, it’s really bizarre. The mum humpback whale will just sit on the sand bed and the baby whale, the calf, will sit just above her on the surface. You can swim close-ish to the calves and the mums will just keep an eye on you and if they’re not happy they kind of hover upwards. It’s really creepy, like a submarine coming up, and then take their calf off. But most of the time they’re pretty tolerant; the calf will be like spinning and twirling and you’re close to it. They’re quite friendly.

Is it off the beach?

I actually went with Matt Draper. He’s a photographer and he was putting out that he was gonna take trips. If you wanted to join you could into a ballot. I got in that way and I was happy about that because he’s a bit of an environmentalist himself. He was doing it all above board, getting the right permits, very in tune with whale behaviour. In Tonga there’s something crazy like 40+ unlicensed boats to every 10 that are licensed. It’s getting out of hand. Which is awful. Like, looking back I was like ‘fuck, would I actually go do that again?’ Probably not. 

Ah the lessons we learn. It was a life changing trip by the sounds of it!

Yeah, it definitely was. My parents thought I was crazy, they were just like ‘what? You want to like, go round the islands and teach kids about plastic?’ I was like ‘yep, I’ve got to!’

You look at places like Bali and it’s just SO bad. That’s the
annoying thing. That’s all New Zealand and Australia. That’s
our ‘recycling’. That’s where our recycling goes, we recycle it
here and it just magically goes over there, and we forget about it.

Mhmm. Out of sight, out of mind.

Yeah.

It’s such a stark contrast in these pristine holiday destinations – and so much wildlife and natural beauty – that get overrun by rubbish. Trying to shape whole populations of peoples’ behaviours, it’s not just those nearby. And these are places that rely on tourism…

Yeah exactly. Like, they know it’s a problem because they’re living next to it. It’s definitely about behaviour change, that’s a huge part of it. Like yes, the planet needs to be sustainable, but their jobs need to be sustainable jobs, right? They need to be supported so that they can actually live sustainably. They’re kind of forced to degrade the environment in some places, because that’s the only way they can survive. 

Who are your enviro-crushes? Who do you admire?

Ooh. As cheesy as it sounds, Camden Howitt, who co-founded Sustainable Coastlines, is definitely a big inspiration to me. I did think of Sustainable Coastlines as this incredible charity because of him and the work that he had been doing for the past 10 years. So he’s definitely still someone I admire, and being able to work alongside him now is just pretty special. I wouldn’t tell him that because he might get a big head.

Then there’s all your classics. The David Attenboroughs of the world, and the Sylvia Earles. Who are just these incredible advocates, and have been for years. That’ve just been sticking at it. And god, to know that they’ve been in this game for a long time and they’re still trying to promote the positivity, that’s what we need.

It hasn’t gotten them down. They’re still optimistic.

They’re still trying.

I’m sure it seems hopeless sometimes.

Yeah, totally. But a lot of the people that I end up meeting are really inspiring. I’ll go to these funny corners of New Zealand, in these random towns that are super remote, and there’s always some sustainability superstar there. That’s just like absolutely living and breathing it. They’re doing everything possible in their lives, they’re just such leaders in their space, whatever that space is. Whether it’s a school or they’re the Scouts leader or they’re just a random mum that’s doing public beach clean-ups every weekend. There’s some amazing people doing amazing things and I’m like ‘oh! That’s cool, I wish I could be more like that!’ Or like, I want to do that when I’m that old. I want to join a club where the retirees all get together and do a beach clean-up.

You’re already doing it! It’s your JOB!
‘I want to be cleaning up the beach’
YOU ARE!

For no money! These people are volunteers. Though I definitely don’t do it for the money.

Money is quite a taboo topic, but we should all be better at talking about it, myself included. What’s it like working for a charity?

It’s funny, I’ve come from a governmental job in teaching where your salary is guaranteed. So stepping into this job… knowing I was permanent was a huge thing and apparently was a big shift in the charity from what they previously had in place. They had a lot of fixed-term contracts and part-time contracts – impermanence basically. They started dishing out permanent contracts, which was huge. I think I joined at a time where there’s been a lot of support for our charity.

With Covid a lot of businesses have looked at themselves and
their sustainability plans, and said ‘we need to be doing more’.
So we’ve had a lot of amazing corporates step in over this past two years.

There’s been times where they’ve been like ‘if we don’t get this funding, we’ll be making budget cuts’, but it’s never come down to us. Which is pretty lucky.

There are three programs at Sustainable Coastlines and mine is funded by the Ministry for the Environment, which is obviously huge. Whereas the other two are not there yet. I’m just really lucky to be on the team that I am. We’ve had this amazing HR lady join, and she’s just been incredible. She very quickly checked out all our salaries and matched them up to what other people would be making in a similar role, even in a not-for-profit, and then raised us if we needed to. So, I joined on a 50 grand salary and that was a big pay cut for me from being a teacher, where I’d made my way up to 65k. She saw that that was what I would be earning, so she managed to match that, which is just insane. That’s a 15k jump in less than a year and it’s because there’s the right people at Sustainable Coastlines, making that a priority.

That’s a culture that they’ve consciously created and yeah… wow. That’s truly unbelievable. Amazing.

Yeah. It blew me away. My parents were definitely a little bit worried. Being like ‘go to uni, get a job that’s payed by the government. Yes be a teacher! That’s so secure and stable.’ And for me to say I’m going to go do this, they were like ‘what are you doing? That’s a non for profit, your job is not going to be guaranteed’. And it’s not, but at the moment we’re looking okay and I know that Sustainable Coastlines have my back. They will keep me for as long as they can. And if it gets to the point where they can’t, then I always have teaching to fall back on. 

And a wealth of knowledge in this area too. Do you see yourself there in the future?

Yeah. This is just the beginning for them. It’s quite an exciting time. The project’s been going for three years, so we’ve passed the pilot phase, we know what’s not working, we know what we need to be doing more of basically. It’s a good space to be in. They hadn’t been targeting schools until I came along as their education coordinator.

God! That would’ve been a huge undertaking!

Yeah. I was doing a lot of cold calling. Ringing up teachers and being like ‘is this something you’d wanna do?’ I felt like a sales person, which was horrible!

Cold calling is so rough. What’s your advice for people who want to be making better enviro choices but don’t know where to start?

I reckon the big thing is looking at every single product, no matter what it is, just really looking at it and thinking, where has it come from?

How far has it travelled to get to me? What is it made out of? And where’s it going after I’m done with it? Thinking about that whole life cycle of a product is huge. Because, if you can start to think about its whole life cycle you start to think do I really need it. Or is there something else I could be buying? There are so many alternative products out there. I do it with everything now. Like, do I really need a glass jar when I could be buying a refill?

It’s just looking at your own life and the things that you’re buying and being really critical.

That’s so helpful and translatable! Something I’ve learned is that everyone is so down on plastic, as we should be, but lots of things aren’t fantastic for the planet. Like glass! Why do we keep wine in glass bottles?

We did the life cycle of wine for uni. There are an insane amount of environmental problems associated with glass. When you see Coke going ‘ok we’ll switch back to glass’ because that’s the pressure they’re under. But really, you’re just burden shifting. You’re just moving the burden to another part of the environment. Like, it might not be the marine life that’s being affected by glass but the land at the beginning when it’s being made is UGH.

Are there any down sides to your job?

Oh it’s like any job, there’s admin you know? There’s a lot of emails. We’re working a lot with volunteers and they drop off, which is the sad frustrating thing. You’re constantly trying to keep your product going, or your service going, or your program going, and you’re relying on volunteers. Trying to stay in the forefront of people’s minds so that they wanna keep going. We need the data to go for a long time. So that’s definitely the hard part, trying to re-pitch to people to keep them going. But that’s just the nature of the job. 

It comes back to that sales stuff, doesn’t it?

Yeah! And that’s what I hate, I just hate the sales pitch!

It’s like c’mon! You care about the environment! Just stick it out!

Yeah! Remember! That’s why you did it in the first place! Just stay for another four years and keep doing the data collection!

Do you have a dream job?

We have been looking at the Pacific and expanding internationally… that’s something I hope to do. If I could go back to Tonga now, and train people there to do what I’m doing, that would be very rewarding. Go full circle.

But when I think of a dream job… I don’t like that this is my job, right? Cos that means there’s a problem. But I do like that this is my job in a way that this is something I can do to help. I can work with children and there’s my teaching background in there still, and then the environment’s there as well. Like I managed to marry it all together.

Perfectly meld them! It’s so cool! What’s your work perk?

I get paid to be on the beach, which I think is incredible. I’ve been to some incredible beaches and places around New Zealand and although I’m picking up rubbish – and it’s sometimes depressing because of the amount – you’re like ‘wow, I’m getting paid to be here?’ Like, there’s no one else on this beach and here I am, getting paid, with this view.

What’s the most incred place you’ve been with work?

We were lucky enough in April to go to Fiordland. (We highly recommend a stalk of this picture perfect place). That was the last region in New Zealand where we weren’t getting anybody cleaning up. Basically because no one lives there. It’s so remote that they were like, ‘oh we’ll have to get you a chopper to get to the beaches’. We had a helicopter for three days that dropped us at all these incredible beaches along that south west coast of New Zealand.

Get out of town, that’s so cool!

It was incredible. We thought it wasn’t going to happen, but from a data perspective they need the whole picture of New Zealand. So, we got the funding to do that. I never knew New Zealand had so many mountains! It was in my back garden and I just had no idea it was all there. It was absolutely stunning.

I can remember being in New Zealand and standing on a beach and turning around and seeing mountains covered in snow and I was like ‘what is going on?’

Yeah hahaha, ‘where am I!?’ I had a similar situation actually. The other day with a school in Christchurch. It was the most amazingly sunny day, and the kids were throwing snow at each other because there was snow 50 metres back from the beach! 

I’ve been watching The Lord of the Rings for the first time and there are so many stunning shots of New Zealand and I’m just like ‘that’s CGI, NO WAY that’s real!’

That’s so funny, we’re watching it too and Bjorn’s the same. He’s a freak when it comes to Lord of the Rings, we only ever watch the extended versions.

I am loving it. I think I put it off because it is just such an undertaking… where do I find a spare 16 hours to watch it? Well, here’s the time! We’re stuck at home!

It wouldn’t be a New Zealand chat if we didn’t round it out with Lord of the Rings would it?
Thank you for sharing so much and giving us so much insight into what sounds like the most glorious job ever.

Glorious! Hahaha. Picking up rubbish. 

Haha. It must be a nice before and after. Like, there are no dolphins eating a chip wrapper for dinner here!

That’s exactly what I think when I’m picking up pieces! ‘I’ve just saved a bird, I’ve just saved a dolphin’.

I love the image of you opening the bag from the kids and it’s just filled with like.. crabs. Everything except rubbish.

Yeah! Like, this is useless.

And seaweed! Like, that can stay.

It’s just the ones that will pick up dog poo. And I’m like, ‘I told you at the beginning we’re not touching dog poo. If you find dog poo, leave it!’. And they just think it’s hilarious. Because they have gloves on – gloves that I have to wash – they’re just like *smooshes hands together* It’s not glamorous.

Bloody kindergarteners, you can’t take them anywhere.

Exactly.

Have a stalk of Sustainable Coastlines here, squiz Becky’s hot tips for helping the
ocean and increase your jealousy levels by 500% with this MAGIC whale time in
Tonga (a great place to spur on a career change, if you ask us).

And just because we LOVE a little look into people’s extracurricular talents,
check out Becky’s art. The talent!

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